Sarah's Story
"Do I even matter to him?" Sarah asked as she told me that she had allowed Chuck to move home last month even though he still seemed to be pining for his affair partner (AP). Like many, Sarah asked herself over and over again, Am I a fool for even trying to work on my marriage?
During a session together, she shared a portion of her heartbreaking story:
"Three days after discovering the physical part of the infidelity, we sat down and he told me everything, but he cried when talking about his AP. In the past month, he's taken steps to make things better, and he hasn't contacted his AP, but she has tried to contact him. He says he loves me and he wants to help me heal, but the only time he gets emotional is when he talks about HER. Can you imagine how hard it is for me to feel he is really remorseful? It's making me an emotional wreck. Is it possible that he's actually committed to me and our marriage? At times he seems so depressed and hopeless. Is he really choosing me?"
Detoxing
Hopelessness engulfs the depressed. Dreams that once lit paths toward an exciting future are extinguished and replaced by the nightmare of consequences from the infidelity.
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Learn More | EMS OnlineI know it's gut-wrenching for betrayed partners to hear this, but in many cases, it's common that even after an affair ends, dreams of a life together with the affair partner often remain. These lingering fantasies create a significant barrier to the hurt spouse feeling chosen and the wayward spouse rekindle passion for the marriage. It would seem the only remorse, compassion, or life left in the wayward spouse is expressed when they share their feelings about what their affair has cost them, or even their AP, rather than their spouse. This is hurtful to say the least!
While troubling, this is very normal within the detox phase of recovery.
If the wayward spouse feels they've found their “new” soul mate, those dreams that were cast out to the future can be difficult to erase from memory. That’s because the dreams that once included their mate were replaced with those constructed in the fantasy world of the affair under the guise that they would bring greater happiness.
It's very common, although not guaranteed, that those involved in affairs come to their senses and begin trying to put their lives back together. While rationally, they understand the need to stay and work on the marriage, their feelings often lag behind. Rewriting their future again can be a more significant loss than the loss of their AP. They may finally be able to see the flaws in the other person, but the dreams of how their life would be still linger.
Knowing something is not true doesn't necessarily make the allure of what was imagined dissipate. You can know the truth and even act on that truth, but it doesn't always feel true.
For instance, I know that when I wrong my wife, an apology from me will help mend the damage. Therefore, when I've neglected to consider her thoughts or feelings, I may choose to apologize. But just because I know this truth and choose to apologize does not change the fact that I will dread that humiliated feeling I get every time I speak such an apology. Pride drives that feeling, so I choose to act on truth instead.
Though a wayward spouse may know the right thing is to return home, end the charade, and work on the marriage, the thought of doing so may produce feelings of confusion, embarrassment, and rage. If the wayward spouse had erased their dreams of future happiness with their mate, they would feel more hopeless in the short run. This certainly doesn't mean they don't love their mate. Love is a choice; choosing love in the absence of feeling in no way diminishes the depth of love. It does, however, impact how that love might be perceived by the betrayed spouse.
Doing what you know to be right is difficult, especially if, due to a loss of vision, you can no longer trust your feelings. It's like flying an airplane in the dark. You know how the plane is flying by the instrument readings, but you also know that if you ignore the instruments and fly by what you feel to be right, you'll crash the plane.
You must follow what you know to be true, not what you feel.
All too often I see unfaithful spouses who have tried to "do the right thing" but they don't feel it is doing any good. They wear out, give up, and cave on the work of pursuing what is real and lasting.
Feelings are wavering and deceptive. There is far too much at stake to be guided by our feelings alone.
Grieving the Loss of the Affair Partner
After an affair, if the unfaithful spouse seems to be grieving the loss of their AP, the hurt spouse often feels they've made a colossal mistake. It's easy to assume the wayward spouse isn't committed, but that's not necessarily true. More often than not, the root problem isn't a lack of commitment to the marriage but a lack of shared vision.
The lack of shared vision isn't just the wayward spouse's problem.
Dreams of the future for the betrayed spouse aren't simply rewritten, they are shattered. The impact of the betrayal causes them to question their past, their judgement, their image of the person they married, their present, and their future. The devastation of infidelity isn't their only barrier; they've also lost their vision of how life was going to be. Hopelessness demoralizes both partners, leaving them grasping for shared dreams that could energize their life together.
This isn't to say that couples have to always feel passionate about their future together, but in the absence of passion, at the very least, they need to be committed to doing the next right thing. At the same time, they need to, once again, begin dreaming together and be willing to imagine a life together that both would enjoy. Recovery is hard, messy work!
For the wayward spouse, moving forward is more than just terminating their affair.
Moving forward will involve recreating a future vision with your mate. It isn't just about grieving and forgiving; it’s about having the courage to once again dream with your mate about what you want, and together, creating a new shared vision.
There is one caveat here: The couple must address the initial trauma of the betrayal before they can begin healing the relationship itself. Nearly everyone needs to seek out qualified, expert help in order to talk rationally with one another about the damage and trauma that has occurred. The feeling of working toward a new vision, a new life, can be very powerful.
Finding New Momentum
To create a new vision for your future, you first have to discover your mate all over again. This is certainly not a definitive list of everything that can or should be discussed, but it's a great start. When you've finished, set aside more time to talk about your goals for your life.
This exercise is to be completed together. Schedule time to go through each question. I suggest finding a minimum of thirty minutes at a time. You could consider skipping your favorite television program to begin the process. You will not be able to complete this in a single sitting, and it might take weeks to complete, but the effort is worth it! Try to be as open and honest as possible.
Take turns going first in answering the questions and remember there are no right or wrong answers! This will help you to consider your future with one another. It's well worth the time.

- These things have made me proud...
- As a child I dreamed of...
- I have yet to accomplish but hope to do...
- I hope for __________ during my life.
- I fear...
- These things have caused me the most personal embarrassment or shame in life...
- The people I admire... (and why)
- In the past 24 hours, something I could have done better...
- These things have challenged me... (name at least 3)
- The beliefs that have guided me...
- In my heart of hearts, the type of spouse I want to be is...
- I still hope to experience in life...
- Some unfulfilled dreams I have for you...
- I've seen you suffer and endure...
- I hope for you...
- These things I admire the most about you...
- I still hold these goals for you...
- I see these strengths in you...
- The hopes I have for you...
- I see these wounds in you...
- A few key events that have molded me...
- I have healed from these wounds...
- As I go forward in life, I would like to become more...
- This is how I'd like to be remembered when I'm gone...
- Growing up, these were my biggest hurts...
- As a child, this is what I was most ashamed of...
- In our marriage, these things have made me proud...
Creating new vision requires a desire to understand your mate rather than getting your mate to understand you. Take the time to dream about the life you'd both like to have. This will put you on the path towards a shared vision, but it will most likely require some outside help to truly heal.
New dreams and new vision require expert guides to wade through the enormous trauma and uncertainty that infidelity creates. Our EMS Online course is a safe place for spouses on both sides of infidelity to grieve and heal. This course will give both of you the opportunity to connect with other couples in the same situation and provide a path for growing together toward a new life of freedom and purpose.
Comments
Excellent posting.
This topic is spot on. I experienced these exact emotions two years ago and didn't understand why I felt horrible at being the "winner" while he pined over his affair loss. Every day I doubted the decision to reconcile .....thinking myself a fool to try again. I had no idea about the detox process. Boy is it ugly. It's a horrible time for the betrayed in a multitude of ways compounded by outside pressure of friends/family who want to add input to "recovery".
I'm going to read this a few more times to really let it sink in. Than you for sharing this gem.
Not feeling like a winner
That's how I feel. My husband says he has picked me as the one he wants to be with. It's pretty insulting and hurtful to feel like I was selected as the one to have to heal through the betrayal.
Wow
I am still in the process of recovering and this article really helps with understanding and clarity. I still wonder why I wasn't grieved over as much as my husband's AP. It truly leaves a whole that is hard to heal. This article helps in understanding both sides. I can't say it makes the healing easier, but it definitely gives me a different perspective that I can look at and try to understand. I must say that your articles are one of the things that have kept me going forward in the last year and a half after discovery. Thank you from the bottom of my healing and tender heart!
Ditto!
This is exactly what I experienced. I can say I was trying to make our marriage work but I had constant fears of "was I trying to be the winner?" Or did I really want to make things better? I finally got past those feeling to now enjoy a great relationship with my husband.
SO TRUE
I went thru the same thing with my husband. After the two year affair was finally over he went thru a horrible depression and misery. I felt like there is no way he would want to be with me. He would cry over the loss of her and be angry at the same time. Now two years later we have the strongest relationship. Or marriage is better than it ever was before. Healing takes a long time but it is well worth it.
Wow
Thank you Rick and AR
Your articles have saved me
and given me hope
I never wanted to read so much about such a painful subject but in the educating you help us to do comes healing
Many thanks
This has to be hard work when you do it with such diligence, exhausting research and heart
Article Why is Wayeard Grieving
Great article Rick. While the content doesn't exactly apply to my marriage/situation, I feel it will help many. However, the list of questions at the end were really spot on to help any relationship. Lately my spouse and I have been saying how we needed to be more intimate (verbal) than in the past. I can see how questions such as these would help so many couples achieve that kind of intimacy. Well done.
Extreme self absorbed depression
This was a positively brilliant article. The script in our house would be reversed . After the affair was over, I spent months sobbing my heart out for my affair partner, in a wretched state of loathesome misery, all the while my poor husband watching me go through a period of seemingly endless depression. He often wondered WHY I seemed to have no remorse for him ( I didn't). It was an all consuming, completely self absorbed time of endless sorrow for me. Utterly unfair to my spouse. An outsider would wonder why on earth he stayed .
I stayed in this pattern for atleast 6 months and very slowly warmed up to him . We stayed together and worked on the marriage for the sake of the 3 children. The trauma of ending the affair was so all encompassing and overwhelming, that my husband and I sort of flopped back together at first like fish dancing in a frying pan . 18 months later, and healing has finally come into the house as we have worked out a new life and a new vision for ourselves .
People fresh out of affairs seem to take that extreme self absorbed energy and re-focus it into extreme self absorbed depression . It truly is all encompassing. It's not fair to anyone around them. It's like a double betrayal to their spouses and children . I can say that, because I'm the one that did it .
extreme self absorbed depression
The cheating spouse's depression caused by missing the affair partner may be hard on them, but the betrayed spouse also suffers for it. I wondered what did I do to make my husband want another woman and why am I the one feeling guilty? He rejected me for her. Plus, I'm not sure the affair is over. He doesn't talk, moved out of the bedroom, barely speaks, but doesn't want a divorce. Knowing he put her before me and let her be vindictive toward me is hard for me to handle. I'm not sure if I want to continue in this marriage. I'm going to therapy to figure all this out. I've been married nearly forty years and never thought I would be in this situation. I don't know my husband any more.
you are correct...
no one suffers more than the betrayed spouse that's for sure. it is a real phenomenon if you will that the unf spouse grieves for the loss of the affair partner, but that doesn't minimize the pain the betrayed feels throughout the course of the entire ordeal. there's a term for it called Limerance and i think the article/audio would be great to listen to: https://www.affairrecovery.com/radio/limerance have you done anything 'infidelity specific' as general therapy usually isn't enough to handle what you're facing as you're facing something that's out of the ordinary difficult and painful.
Attachment Injury
I think its important to not try and speculate on which spouse suffers more. The depths of the human heart are vast. There is no generic blanket statement that can be used to cover all affairs. I can only speak for my situation. I can only speak for myself. Was it "Fair" to my husband that I continued to pine for the ex-affair partner? NO. It was horrific for both of us. I had to conceal the sorrow as best as I could, to spare my poor husband more pain and more humiliation. Did I suffer more? Did he suffer more? Speculating on questions like that, just further shifts the blame back and forth and dosen't move a couple to an actual healing state. Was my Husband a checked out Zombie for years, obsessed with work and completely ignoring me like a corpse until I felt dead inside and found a "friend" to start chatting with? Yes. Was that the right thing to do? No. Was it the human thing to do? Probably. Going back to the Grieving. Grieving over the loss of an affair partner actually lights up a phenomenon called "Attachment injury", an injury going way back into childhood. Im under-qualified to explain it at any length, but its an excruciatingly real activity that occurs in the brain, and causes horrendous pain and depression.
I can relate!!!
I can definitely relate to your comment. I've been with my husband now for 27 years, have 3 kids together and would have never imagined myself in this situation. I'm at that point too right now where I'm not even sure what it is I want. Do I want to stay and work it out? I feel like I've tried so darn hard to save the marriage already, when all he did was turn to another woman-now I know why my efforts went unnoticed. I'm going to therapy in hopes I can figure it out, but I'm not lost in fantasy world either. I told my husband it is as though I've been with a stranger for the past year.
excellent response tahoemama...
thank you for sharing that. i've had many reach out lately about this issue and am wondering if you'd be open to sharing more about your response. maybe i could have you share a bit more about your experience and then i could use it in one of my video blogs or in a follow up newsletter? i would conceal your identity for sure my friend, but wondered if you'd be open to expanding a bit more about your situation? not on video, but in print so to speak? if you're open to it you can email info@hope-now.com.
Response to Longing for Affair Partners/ Depression
Sure, I dont mind opening up. Are you apart of this site, or a different one?
Kindly,
Lynn
Tahoe mama, I was in the
Tahoe mama, I was in the same boat as you and shared the exact same feelings. I had no intention of doing what I had done, none. But found myself caught up in a mess knowing I needed to get out. Then I had to tell my husband, so loyal, and just horrible situation altogether, not knowing I would fall into a deep depression, he didn't understand my grieving and I just wanted to be left alone while grieving. I now have visions for my husband and I like I had before.
getting over the affair partner
My horrible saga began in 2005 when my husband started his affair. In 2010, when faced with my evidence of the affair, he moved out to be with AP. After 6 months he came home "to start over." But he never, to this day, got over the fantasy he has had about a life with his AP. And so here we are 7 years into "recovery" and he is still longing for her and seeing her. I am now devastated beyond belief and now completely without hope and have asked him to please file for divorce. He never gave up the idea of what he believes their life could be together and therefore he never really, fully committed to making our marriage work again. I would say he is in love with her but I don't know how well he really even knows the real her. I think he is in love with a fantasy.
so sorry anonymous...what work have you done?
anonymous, i'm terribly sorry to read your story. 7 years into recovery is a long time to remain stuck with the fantasy. what recovery work have you done? have you both been able to get help, or has your spouse done any specific recovery work? if you'll share what work if any you may have done, maybe i can make some suggestions as well. i felt compelled to respond as that's a long time to stay stuck. hope you're doing ok friend.
She isn’t atttracted to me after she cheated
After 25 years of marriage my wife cheated on me then left me only to allow me back with her after 2 months gone but he got what he wanted and disappeared. That was 2 and a half years ago and she has no remorse or regret and especially no empathy she sais that now she just isn’t interested in sex and refuses to let me show her any passion or desire. The last time I saw her show any passion or desire it was towards another man. I lost my virginity to her 30 years ago and have never been with another and I love her so much but I’m constantly having nightmares panic attacks and I believe her when she blamed me for pushing her to cheat. I try to get her to talk to me about what she is feeling and I get I’m fine. I’m not fine not at all and we lay next to each other but I’m more lonely now. Why is she no longer attracted to me, why does she seem to not care about my feelings I miss not sex but the closeness and intimacy and not having to wonder how she really feels about me because she showed me. Why is she like this now why can’t get her to trust me and open up to me. What happened to the woman I married she disappeared when her infidelity began but won’t return should I just leave but that won’t help the pain and suffering from being neglected by the only woman I’ve ever loved
You deserve better
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. I know you're lonely and heartbroken, and feel like your life has been turned upside down.
But as an unfaithful wife, I can tell you that if she's not showing remorse or regret, or making any effort to mend the relationship after over two years, it's time for you to move on.
I know you can't imagine a life without her or being happy with someone else, but I promise you.. there's someone out there who will love, appreciate and value you, and make you feel whole again. Allow hope to give you courage to leave.. good luck.
Samuel and Wayne
Every time I read articles or listen to videos from this site I cannot help to wonder about Samuels and Waynes ex wives. I wonder if the reason Samuel and Wayne found theirselves divorced years after their infidelity is that their wives really never got over the betrayal and simply waited until the children were older. I think that infidelity is simply abuse to their partner and if it were truly treated like that in society it would stop more partners from committing it. I quit listening to many infidelity videos because my husband never could have empathy or remorse for what he did and now is battling cancer. It’s been 4 years since his 7 month affair and almost 4 years since d day. I pray everyday he beats the cancer so he can go on with his life. I have given up on a future with him and will help him during his battle with the cancer, but I plan to move on once he wins this battle. I cannot live with someone who has no remorse for cheating with a girl 33 yrs younger that was not a good person, lying on my life when caught and a multitude of other horrible things.
Reply to Sharleen
I hope you find the life you want and heal. It happened to me after 27 years of marriage, and he wouldn’t admit it for 21 years. I stayed, but I basically cut him out of my life unless there was something that required both of us to attend together. The affair lasted 5 months in 1996, until her husband confronted him and asked if he was willing to lose me for a cheap barroom slut (that was disclosed 21 years later) and burst his fantasy bubble. I had enough emotional and psychological abuse during his affair to make me realize that I no longer loved him, but I stayed to keep from hurting our daughter and families. I asked about her - he denied. And I did what I wanted to do. I became involved in the things that I enjoyed doing, and didn’t include him. I realized that he could never look into my eyes, tell me that he loves me and has always been faithful to me and our marriage vows. When he finally admitted the affair after all those years, apologized, and asked what he could do so I would love him again, l told him “look into my eyes, tell me you love me and you’ve always been faithful to me and our marriage vows”. He cried. He knows that I will never love him like I once did. I care about him. He is remorseful and I know that he loves me now, but I am not the same person. Betrayal destroys. I pray you find healing and peace.
I found out 5 weeks ago about
I found out 5 weeks ago about my husband’s 3 year affair with a woman he met online. We’ve been married nearly 23 years and have 4 kids. He has said and done all the things he’s supposed to and seems completely repentant and remorseful. On the day I confronted him he told me that he loved us both. He then ended it with her (for the third time) and says he thinks he never actually loved her. I’m worried he’s ignoring his feelings about her in order to do what he thinks is right. He is adamant that he has no feelings left for her, even when I tell him I understand that that might not always be the case. He tried cutting ties with her twice before and couldn’t stay away. The only reason he thinks it’ll work this time is because I know? I feel like that puts all the pressure on me to keep him faithful.
My husband has had three affairs over 25 years
I just rediscovers my husband was having an affair with their third woman a month ago. I found out about her 6 1/2 years ago during which he promised he would end it and we did go to some counseling but not much. This was after I found out about his second affair right after the birth of our twins who are our 4th and 5th children. He says he doesn’t want her and was trying to end it but didn’t know how to get out of the relationship. I am trying to understand but can’t. He keeps saying that things weren’t good not always but his perception of the marriage is so different from mine. I’m trying once again to save
Y marriage as I am a Christian and I fee that’s what God wants me to do but I’m afraid he’s in this funk and mourning over her and not me. He seems numb when we talk about this and there is no passion or “fight” to save us. He’s a Christian too but completely lost and I’m too battle weary to keep propping him up. I also feel like I’m being foolish to belt that “this time it’s over”. The ones having th affairs can’t even begin to understand the pain and hurt and self doubt they have inflicted on their spouse. Especially those of us who have chosen to forcibly to be slapped in the face again and again. Should I try to stay and hope that this time it’s for real or should I just get divorced and try to move on alone. I’m devastated and drapery for help.
Does he truly want me?
My husband had an affair 6 years ago that cost him his job, the respect of our children, and almost ended our marriage. We went through counseling and have worked on healing. It has been a painful few years but our relationship is much better now. That said, I just discovered that my husband is searching for his affair partner on social media and the internet. It turns out that he has been doing this pretty consistently over the past 6 years. I don’t know if he has communicated with her, but the intent is clearly there. I’m not sure why he stayed with me if he still has feelings for the other woman. (This is not a new pattern; he had an affair with another woman years ago and spent a lot of time searching for her online, too.)
I think I finally have the answer I’ve prayed for: I am
not the one he truly loves. He’s just “doing the right thing” by staying with me. I’m ready to throw in the towel.
Heartbreaking. Sad to read
Heartbreaking. Sad to read "the relationship is much better now" all while knowing he is searching for his old AP. It is obviously not in a better place, how awful to do to you when you were willing to work through this with him. One thing I know, men will opt for whatever they can hang onto. If his AP was no longer in the picture he didn't want to lose you, regardless of his feelings. He was probably afraid to lose both of you all while trying to secure "better options" for himself. Despicable thing to do to someone. If you don't love someone, leave them and make a clean break. It's life shattering but going this route is infinitely worse, inflicts repeated trauma and destroys the other person's ability to trust ever again. I hope you've found healing since this post. Please try to focus on how you can make yourself stable and happier because he is not doing it. Small things help. I hope you find strength.
Your list of questions in the above article.
I have no answers for them.
Honestly I feel this is a
Honestly I feel this is a really unhelpful article. It seems to go out of its way to emphasise just how much the betrayer's feelings are still fixated on the AP, rather than the spouse. And it seems to also repeatedly talk about how hard it is for the betrayer to 'do the right thing' even if there are no feelings, and stay with the spouse, and how love is about choice not feelings. It's all pretty insensitive.
And to be honest, I'm surprised there is this clear assumption that the betrayed will just be absolutely desperate to reunite with their betraying spouse, and will never even seriously contemplate leaving. It's just so betrayer focused.
Please try and have a more even balance in your articles. One of the reasons I came to this site was to find something about how difficult it is for the betrayed to even contemplate a relationship with the betrayer again. I wanted to see if there was any wisdom on that, and I was expecting to find articles by other betrayed spouses with wisdom for what to do when you don't think you could ever desire your spouse physically or romantically again, as they aren't who you thought they were. What to do when the thought of them being romantic with you makes you feel physically sick, and the last thing you would want to do is give a guy your own precious body after he went elsewhere.
But instead of articles on that all I seem to find are articles talking about how hard it is for the betrayer to re-awaken desire for his spouse after infidelity.
Surely we are past the old tired notions by now of someone being unfaithful because their spouse has let themselves go, or they're not getting enough sex etc. Unfaithfulness can happen to anyone married to a selfish or greedy spouse. It happens to supermodels so it's not by default to do with lack of attraction to one's mate. It's simply bad character and a choice to not follow through on promises made, and a choice to disrespect someone you had promised to always be honest with.
We've got to have a higher view of guys, and that involves holding them to a standard where faithfulness is a fair expectation of marriage. And if it's not kept, leaving the marriage is a great option. While forgiving the person has a lot of value, trusting that person again is likely not the best option, and the betrayed will do a lot better if they can heal and move on to surround themselves with people who they can trust, people who get tempted but who resist.
I feel this way too. I
I feel this way too. I appreciate hearing your thoughts and feelings and applaud your candor and honesty. This article is valid but still keeps me wondering if I am hanging on only to be once again betrayed.
Site is for both sides of the equation
I would say that 99% of the vids/articles on this site address the betrayed side of the affair with nary a mention of how the betrayer might be feeling. This site is supposed to be a source of helpful material for both sides, but it leans heavily towards the effects on the betrayed, justifiably so. No matter how much the betrayed is hurting, if we take the stance that the unfaithful’s feeling are to be suppressed or irrelevant then there can be no true healing in a relationship. The goal here is not to make the betrayed feel better, but to provide insight into healing both sides AND hopefully, the relationship between them.
Thank you for your well
Thank you for your well-spoken comments. You stated very concisely what I am feeling in the same situation.
Am I Who They Want?
Dreams for them?
The last time I tried that I was told "you don't own me!"
I was also told the AP was their soul mate.
These days I try to keep my dreams to myself.
I agree with the comments
I tend to agree with the comments. The betrayed are the ones that are mistreated by the betrayers. BUT NOW the betrayed also have to be understanding that the betrayers are "hurt and heartbroken" because they don't get to be with their AP even though that have allegedly made the choice to stay with the spouse? Something feels very backward in this. Be patient betrayed, maybe they'll like you again one day?!! In the meantime, be that shoulder for them to cry on!!!
Grieving for the AP
In the video Wayne talks about grieving for the loss of the AP. What does that look like? My betrayed spouse has asked me “Have you grieved for the AP?” And I can honestly say “I don’t know”.